ceiling debate is a silly accounting discussion? so why shouldn't we use a silly accounting gimmick to solve it? which is that you already have appropriated this money and the idea that you have to then go back and give treasury the authority to print money to borrow for it is artificial. it's just a game. and so why wouldn't you then use another game to counter? which that -- >> of course a dumb idea and a dumber idea don't make a good idea. >> that's true. >> they do to come. >> no, i understand. >> some people really are buying into it. i can't believe the number of e-mails i'm getting from people trying to kick the tires on that nonsense. that financial high poth carry measure. >> the one that you have is fake. this is real. this is a $100 trillion zimbabwe bill. look, we got to get real. we've got real fiscal problems, tax and spending, we've got real monetary problems -- my view is -- >> -- may view is we ought to eliminate the debt ceiling. we ought to substitute statutory budget controls and a debt-to-gdp -- >> david, it giv